Simona: So the opportunity area we have here as how might we build on the potential of intergenerational mechanism to extend engagement into future? So? Yeah, so currently, we have these three main opportunity areas, we actually have more, but we thought, you know, in the interest of time, we will share these three with you today and our session. Great, thank you. Yeah. So yeah, we would love to hear your thoughts, right. You know, if you have any comments, and yeah, I'll like first reaction to to all of this.

Sure, yeah, thank you. I don't know if you know any of my own history, which will give you a lot of insight into my responses. Also, my very recent history: I just finished the book "Winners Take All." I don't know if you've read it, but I highly recommend it. It's really a book written in some ways about what I wrote about 10 years ago. I don't know if Brian mentioned that I wrote an op-ed in the New York Times 10 years ago called "The Charitable Industrial Complex," which was sort of an "emperor has no clothes" moment, in a way. So I am coming at this from being a musician for most of my adult life, or half of it now probably, a composer really, for film and television and various things. So I didn't come to this work as some people might presume, being my father's son. It was a very different way of suddenly coming into the philanthropic world at a very large scale in 2006, having done it in a very small way for a few years before that. But in 2006, my wife Jennifer and I, along with my siblings, suddenly were responsible for a large foundation. So we traveled the world for those first number of years because we wanted to figure out what we could do and how we could have an impact. We went to places like Sierra Leone, Bangladesh, and rural India, places you don't go on vacation, but places you go to learn things. We had lived in New York City at the time, so we were also able to talk to a lot of people, including places like CGI, when we were in the world of big philanthropy. That has shifted over time, but our goals haven't. So, in other words, we vary from the very beginning. This is mostly through my work musically with indigenous cultures and learning the history of this. I am very much fascinated with how we ended up where we are. One of my favorite quotes from a guy named West Jackson is, "We are a species out of context." When you say "leverage the current ecosystem," I think the current ecosystem is wildly unmatched to who we are as humans. That's why I love the fact that you're in a place that's going back to 1100 because that's who we are, actually. We've created this current ecosystem that is in no way reflective of who we are as humans. It's created all of the reasons why things like impact investing come up, like how do we get ourselves out of this thing, which I don't frankly think we can do with the jewel secreted. We went from focusing on the most marginalized, which I would say is a black girl or brown girl, depending on where you are in the world, and what we could do to improve her agency in the world. What I learned in this book, "Winners Take All," really pointed that out very clearly. People will get specific like we did around an issue, but they won't really consider the context. It's a very interesting thing to say, "Yes, we're specific. It's a black girl." But the context is the ecosystem is beyond belief, actually, unless you really study history and sit in the place she sits for a period of time. Over the course of these many years since 2006, we have shifted from that broader idea and how that might be funded through various organizations that exist, recognizing that once you have resources, everybody's got their reason for getting them, and they will tell you stories and show you pictures, but if you're not there, you're probably missing something. Now, in Kingston, New York, where I am, there's an area called Midtown, which is where most of the black population lives. If I'm not there every other day, I'm there every week, talking to the very people that we are hoping to support. I learned that a black girl needs whatever her parents need: childcare, health access, food access, educational opportunities, and more. Now we have focused a lot of our work there. We do a lot of work in indigenous communities as well. But then we focus a lot of our work right here in Kingston, recognizing that we're risk capital. We can do things other people can't. We're doing everything from supporting a laundromat and all of the things that a laundromat might provide in terms of other social services and listening and learning to building a flour mill, which, as we know, they've all been centralized in supply chains. The pandemic helped us a lot in that regard, recognizing that supply chains are fragile, and we need to know where our food comes from and who's in the neighborhood with us. All the things that provided. That is all to say that through my arc of learning what philanthropy is and what it isn't and how ineffective really a lot of it is, I am my wife came up with a new name for me: an epochal optimist. I think we are headed for a massive crash and that the ability to respond through almost any most I would say current vehicles of investment with the mindset of investment, like you said, ROI, quick returns all the things that people in finance and that have a lot of money. The way their consciousness thinks, which is absolutely based on fear and scarcity, cannot solve this problem. They because the consciousness is so out of whack with it basically, again, who we are as humans at our core. So I'm, I may not be the most cynical person to talk to, but I'm going to be pretty close because of what I've seen over these years and what I know about our history and specifically in this country, but I would also say Europe, you know how but how this country was founded, and then how the rest of the world had to respond based on our agenda, me and hubris and all the things that America ultimately was founded on. I don't know how the framing of impact investing can be sort of deconstructed into what the world really needs at this moment, which is not anybody thinking they're going to get a return, essentially, other than well-being, other than future right-sizing of what we built because the last couple of hundred years are just not real. We're going to come to that in the next probably decade, or maybe less, or maybe more. But to shift the consciousness of the people that hold the money and power when it is fear-based ultimately and not grounded in reality, is a challenge for the ages, essentially, literally.